hatryk Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 I really want to focus on Isles, but if I get a jersey with cool customization (like the Preds sublimated letters or the Avs font, etc) or a nice jersey (Bruins, Canucks, hell even Flames), I really wouldnt object. At worst you're getting a customized authentic for $150. At worst! Also, they are giving you the $25 gift card to spend in the warehouse too. So if you were planning on buying something anyway, $25 is an additional 10% off the sale price if you were to buy a $500 jersey. hopefully Hofstra is giving you a refund for that shoddy math$500 10% off =$50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYIJM29 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) hopefully Hofstra is giving you a refund for that shoddy math $500 10% off =$50 Half off a $500 jersey is 250. 10% of $250 is You're teaching our children how to read? No wonder why you guys are anti-common core additional 10% off the sale price if you were to buy a $500 jersey. Edited July 10, 2014 by NYIJM29 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guam64 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Buncha nerds in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeshy25 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 NYIJM29's center for kids who can't read good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brilliant! Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 And wanna learn to do other stuff good too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg39 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) To those who have attended the expo, how does this grab bag work? I understand we place a sticker on a box and then we select ours. Does it happen all at once or individually? And if I draw a Devils or Flyers jersey ... or pretty much anyone in the Metro ... I would be willing to trade on the spot. They give you a sticker when you come in and you can place it on any box that does not already have one as everyone does not arrive at once. At whatever time Barry decides, usually around 1:00 or so, everyone takes their box and opens it more or less simultaneously. You can then trade or do whatever you want with it. Edited July 10, 2014 by lhg39 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatryk Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 The sale price is 50% off which was not stated. Did not know of the sale price. You need to use more details in your essay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeaboss2 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) Speaking of math...I'd like to own a Brodeur gamer someday. Like others alluded, I think $7500 is way above market value. I'll have to do more research regarding what's a fair price for a regular gamer, but let's say it's somewhere between 2-5k. And let's assume I'm too lazy to try to recoup any value from the 80% practice jerseys/20% gamer jerseys that you can win. A 1/75 shot at a Brodeur worth 2k and a 74/75 shot at nothing means that the true value of the grab-bag is $26. If the Brodeur gamer is worth 5k, then the grab bag value is $67. If the Brodeur gamer really is worth 7.5k, then the grab bag value is $100. Again, the 2nd prize gamers adds more value to the grab bags, but long story short, I rather throw $150 into my Broduer gamer fund. However those who see more value in the 2nd prize gamers or see value in the practice jerseys for nameplates or know how to flip the unwanted jerseys would think differently. Edited July 10, 2014 by likeaboss2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyers845 Posted July 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Speaking of math...I'd like to own a Brodeur gamer someday. Like others alluded, I think $7500 is way above market value. I'll have to do more research regarding what's a fair price for a regular gamer, but let's say it's somewhere between 2-5k. And let's assume I'm too lazy to try to recoup any value from the 80% practice jerseys/20% gamer jerseys that you can win. A 1/75 shot at a Brodeur worth 2k and a 74/75 shot at nothing means that the true value of the grab-bag is $26. If the Brodeur gamer is worth 5k, then the grab bag value is $67. If the Brodeur gamer really is worth 7.5k, then the grab bag value is $100. Again, the 2nd prize gamers adds more value to the grab bags, but long story short, I rather throw $150 into my Broduer gamer fund. However those who see more value in the 2nd prize gamers or see value in the practice jerseys for nameplates or know how to flip the unwanted jerseys would think differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfitz804 Posted July 10, 2014 Report Share Posted July 10, 2014 Speaking of math...I'd like to own a Brodeur gamer someday. Like others alluded, I think $7500 is way above market value. I'll have to do more research regarding what's a fair price for a regular gamer, but let's say it's somewhere between 2-5k. And let's assume I'm too lazy to try to recoup any value from the 80% practice jerseys/20% gamer jerseys that you can win. A 1/75 shot at a Brodeur worth 2k and a 74/75 shot at nothing means that the true value of the grab-bag is $26. If the Brodeur gamer is worth 5k, then the grab bag value is $67. If the Brodeur gamer really is worth 7.5k, then the grab bag value is $100. Again, the 2nd prize gamers adds more value to the grab bags, but long story short, I rather throw $150 into my Broduer gamer fund. However those who see more value in the 2nd prize gamers or see value in the practice jerseys for nameplates or know how to flip the unwanted jerseys would think differently. You kind of mentioned it , but that math would only work if the Brodeur were the only prize. You'd have to add up the value of ALL of the jerseys, even the crap ones, to get the actual value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyers845 Posted July 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Bought a grab bag. Disappointment here I come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYIJM29 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Bought a grab bag. Disappointment here I come! That's how I feel too. It's bad that Im hoping they throw in either a Jon Sim preseason, Mike Sillinger GI, Jeremy Colliton pre season, or a MA Bergeron GI. Smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg39 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I don't know, with no dealers attending, I am not sure that this is going to be "the best expo ever". It has been a slow decline the past few years. Last year it was down to just Steiner and Hoagie, and now it appears that they are not coming either. Used to have Larry, Joe Tomon, Milt, etc..... I think it is going to be tough to last more than 2 hours this year, if that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsguy Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I don't know, with no dealers attending, I am not sure that this is going to be "the best expo ever". It has been a slow decline the past few years. Last year it was down to just Steiner and Hoagie, and now it appears that they are not coming either. Used to have Larry, Joe Tomon, Milt, etc..... I think it is going to be tough to last more than 2 hours this year, if that. I think they said 1 dealer is going to be there, but its not Hoagie or Steiner like you said. Personally I find it hard to last more than 45 minutes there anymore. I remember they put the trading table last year in the corner and when I went past there a couple of different times people were sitting there and nothing was going on. I remember seeing and hearing about shenanigans going on at the table the year before so I guess people got a little afraid and stayed clear of it. But I totally agree with what you said that I think this year will be a bit underwhelming. This and this is the 2nd year in a row their original guest speaker backed out shortly before the expo due to scheduling conflicts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsguy Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Speaking of math...I'd like to own a Brodeur gamer someday. Like others alluded, I think $7500 is way above market value. I'll have to do more research regarding what's a fair price for a regular gamer, but let's say it's somewhere between 2-5k. And let's assume I'm too lazy to try to recoup any value from the 80% practice jerseys/20% gamer jerseys that you can win. A 1/75 shot at a Brodeur worth 2k and a 74/75 shot at nothing means that the true value of the grab-bag is $26. If the Brodeur gamer is worth 5k, then the grab bag value is $67. If the Brodeur gamer really is worth 7.5k, then the grab bag value is $100. Again, the 2nd prize gamers adds more value to the grab bags, but long story short, I rather throw $150 into my Broduer gamer fund. However those who see more value in the 2nd prize gamers or see value in the practice jerseys for nameplates or know how to flip the unwanted jerseys would think differently. Problem is that those 14 other "prize" gamers are not worth as much as what meigray is stating so you have to take that into account. A Colin White gamer is not worth $395 to anyone. Basically for most people doing the grab bag its a 1 in 75 chance of getting a Marty gamer (which someone stated is prob worth more like $2-5K) than a 1 in 5 chance to get a gamer period. I don't blame people for wanting to go after that chance but it;s just not for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg39 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I don't even know if I feel like going to the warehouse. Most of the jerseys that I have interest in are consignment jerseys, thus not on sale. Of the ones I have interest in, one is from 2012-13 and likely only about 1/3 off, and the rest are too expensive even at half off as they have never reduced the original pricing based on thinking guys were going to be big stars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsguy Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 You've been making some great counterpoints to the collective desire to buy in, and I'm totally with you when you say that it sucks to be the one to pull a $100 scrub jersey. But it's a bit unfair to say it's a sucker move to play. We could extrapolate and say we're suckers for collecting gamers at all. It's all in how the individual values it. Sure, it's gambling, but the odds are not bad compared to something like the lottery, or an actual casino. I agree to an extent that many shirts on the site should be priced more accurately to their actual value (like I mentioned with the Caron jerseys), but we also have to remember that the MGG does this kind of stuff (high retail, grab-bag raffles with a high chance to land a dud, big summer/winter sales) because of the tight control it has over the supply of shirts (exclusive contracts with its teams, and with the NHL auction program). When you buy from the MGG, it's a "take it or leave it" deal. They are decently willing to sit on their stock until someone comes around to buy it on sale. And then the grab bags are a decently cost-effective way to clear dead weight. That, and they are the only way a collector can acquire a player's shirt first-hand at all. Don't want it? Then it stays with them, and away from the hobby/community. On an open market (like private sales or on eBay), the seller doesn't have nearly as much leverage on the situation. I mean, it's not economically perfect, but it seems to be a working strategy for them and for the collecting community. I'd like to hear some more input on what you'd like to see done better with the MGG, because maybe we've got ideas in common. Meigray does some things right and some wrong. The most glaring issues is I do think their pricing scheme is often very screwy (why is a non-rookie Jacob Josefson worth almost double than an Andy Greene game worn jersey?) and needs to be evaulated. I know Barry takes deals but as I have seen on some other threads here they do not exactly take deals that would make a lot of sense (but taking the posters word for it naturally). Instead it seems that Meigray would rather hold onto a jersey for as long as they could until some poor or desperate person really wants that jersey and will pay Meigray's valuation for it. If not then in it goes into either the grab bag heap or summer sale goodie where prices are more reasonable and more in-line with market value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsguy Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I don't even know if I feel like going to the warehouse. Most of the jerseys that I have interest in are consignment jerseys, thus not on sale. Of the ones I have interest in, one is from 2012-13 and likely only about 1/3 off, and the rest are too expensive even at half off as they have never reduced the original pricing based on thinking guys were going to be big stars. If going by last year's structure, I think 12-13 gamers are only 25% off while 2011-12 season and before are 50% off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg39 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 What they should do is have a time based markdown like Filene's. Once a jersey hits 50% off at a summer sale, it should be permanently reduced to that price. It is extremely rare, I would guess, that they ever sell a jersey at full price once it has been on 50% off summer sale. The summer sale should be the first chance to get the newly reduced items, but then, that is the price. But again, this is not my business, so I have to think that the Meigray team knows what they are doing. I just find it hard to believe that jerseys that have been sitting there for 5-10 years unsold on multiple half off sales will ever sell, even at half off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg39 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 If going by last year's structure, I think 12-13 gamers are only 25% off while 2011-12 season and before are 50% off. Yeah, I just checked, it wasn't even 25%. Looks like it might be a short afternoon for me. 2012-2013 NHL-MGG PROGRAM TEAMS (meigray.com) • Take 20% off any game-worn jersey in stock from 2012-13. • Take 10% off any game-issued jersey (GI) in stock from 2012-13. 2002-03 through 2011-12 NHL-MGG (meigray.com and nhlgameworn.com) • Buy one regular-season or playoffs game-worn jersey from 2002-03 through 2011-12 at regular price. GET ONE OF EQUAL OR LESSER VALUE FREE. • Take 40% off any one regular-season or playoffs game-worn jersey from 2002-03 through 2011-12. • Take 20% off any practice jersey from 2002-03 thru 2011-12 priced at $99 or higher. • Take 15% off any game-issued jersey (GI) in stock from 2002-03 through 2011-12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsguy Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Yeah, I just checked, it wasn't even 25%. Looks like it might be a short afternoon for me. 2012-2013 NHL-MGG PROGRAM TEAMS (meigray.com) • Take 20% off any game-worn jersey in stock from 2012-13. • Take 10% off any game-issued jersey (GI) in stock from 2012-13. 2002-03 through 2011-12 NHL-MGG (meigray.com and nhlgameworn.com) • Buy one regular-season or playoffs game-worn jersey from 2002-03 through 2011-12 at regular price. GET ONE OF EQUAL OR LESSER VALUE FREE. • Take 40% off any one regular-season or playoffs game-worn jersey from 2002-03 through 2011-12. • Take 20% off any practice jersey from 2002-03 thru 2011-12 priced at $99 or higher. • Take 15% off any game-issued jersey (GI) in stock from 2002-03 through 2011-12. Where did you get the above from? I see it as being 25% off: http://www.gameworn.net/cgi-bin/GW/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=024295 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg39 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Where did you get the above from? I see it as being 25% off: http://www.gameworn.net/cgi-bin/GW/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=024295 Sorry, I accidentally copied from the Holiday sale page. This was the Summer Sale: 2011-2012 NHL-MGG PROGRAM TEAMS (meigray.com) • Take 25% off any regular-season, playoffs or Stanley Cup Final game-worn jersey from 2011-12. • Take 15% off any training camp, pre-season or practice jersey from 2011-12. • Take 10% off any game-issued jersey from 2011-12. 2002-03 through 2010-11 NHL-MGG (meigray.com and nhlgameworn.com) • Take 50% off any regular-season, playoffs, or Stanley Cup Final game-worn jersey from 2002-03 through 2010-11. • Take 25% off any training camp, pre-season or practice jersey from 2002-03 thru 2010-11. • Take 20% off any game-issued jersey from 2002-03 through 2010-11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyers845 Posted July 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Hoagie had some great jerseys available last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhg39 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 It is sad that this is no longer a big enough deal for the few main dealers left to attend. Steiner has certainly done good business the past 2 years; I am very surprised that they decided not to come. It is a shame, as just looking at things that I cannot buy is not as much fin as browsing through things that I can potentially purchase. I wonder who the mystery Rangers "collector/dealer" is and how much stuff he will have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyers845 Posted July 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I had a real fun time last year seeing all the great old jerseys but I see how it can be a short time being there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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