DiscoStu Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) So as a Saginaw Spirit season ticket holder from the beginning and a jersey collector, a clearance item on Meigray caught my eye. Specifically, this: I have seen pictures of him from preseason games in 2011-12 wearing a jersey that doesn't have his first initial, and I have seen game ready jerseys from 2012-13 that did not have his first initial, so it had me wondering, where does this jersey come from? A rookie tournament? Training camp? I can't find another McNeill who played for the Caps. If anyone who follows the Caps can shed some light on this situation, that would be swell. Edited August 9, 2014 by DiscoStu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStu Posted August 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) Update -- I never thought to scan the Hershey roster for other McNeills, so I had a look and found a Grant McNeill -- I suppose he may have also found his way into a Capitals preseason game, thus necessitating the first initials. Would anyone happen to know which preseason that would have been? Update again -- It looks like both McNeills were invited to training camp in both 2009 and 2010. My current guess is that he wore it in this game: http://capitals.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/boxscore?id=2009010036 Unfortunately, no photos of him with the "P. McNeill" from that game. Edited August 9, 2014 by DiscoStu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoCaps Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Looks like Grant McNeill was in camp with the Capitals in 2008: http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/players/playerpage/273545/grant-mcneill. Patrick McNeill would have been in camp too. The rookie game with the Flyers that year was played in red jerseys at home. My guess is that the Caps had GI's made up that year for both McNeill's that year, so this is why the initial. So my bet is this is a 2008 GI. I would note that I just bought two of these clearance Caps jerseys, that I'm pretty sure were worn in that 2008 rookie game (Dovgan & Lacroix). It looks like Meigray had some Caps jerseys from that year that were not officially entered in the Meigray system. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoCaps Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Okay, maybe not. P. McNeill appeared in a home preseason game in 2008 wearing #75: http://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/boxscore?id=2008010029 So either this is a 2008 GI with a different number, or a subsequent season. I owned a preseason P. McNeill #46 for a while (I forget the season or if it had an initial). So it appears that I am no help at all........sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoCaps Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Further confusing the issue is this 2010 Caps training camp roster, with GRANT McNeill wearing # 75 http://capitals.nhl.com/v2/ext/TrainingCampRoster.pdf...............so maybe that was actually G. McNeill playing in that preseason game in 2008. So I'm back to 2008 GI as my best guess, as this 2008 training camp roster has P. McNeill as #46 http://capitals.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=462794. I can't find him in any 2008 preseason games now, assuming that it is actually Grant McNeill in that one preseason game. 90% sure it's 2008 GI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoCaps Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 I see that it is gone from Meigray clearance. Did you buy it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStu Posted August 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) Yes. Patrick McNeill was at 2008 rookie camp, I'm not sure if he was at the main camp. It is possible that they made up a jersey for him in the 2008 preseason and it wasn't used, or it could be the jersey he wore in that one 2009 preseason game in Chicago. I also note that I am forgetting about vector/wordmark. According to nhluniforms.com, the switch to wordmark happened in 2011-12, and the jersey above is a 2.0. So that rules nothing out and still means that this jersey could have been for 2008 or 2009 preseason. Edited August 9, 2014 by DiscoStu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoCaps Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Okay, one last thought. Looks like both Grant and Patrick were in camp in 2008, 2009 and 2010. In the 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 Meigray Population Reports, the McNeill jerseys are in there (GI, TC, or preseason). In the 2008-2009 Pop Rept, neither McNeill is in there, although we know that both were in camp, and P. McNeill was under contract (I believe). Given that I believe most of these Caps clearance jerseys are from 2008-2009, and there is no McNeill in the Pop Rept, I think this is a 2008 GI that didn't get full Meigray documentation, like the TC/Rookie game jerseys I bought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStu Posted August 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) Cool. Then this jersey was worn in the Traverse City rookie tournament? Edit-- nope, Washington wasn't there. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10536/2008_traverse_city_prospects_tournament_day1/ Edited August 9, 2014 by DiscoStu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoCaps Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Yes. Patrick McNeill was at 2008 rookie camp, I'm not sure if he was at the main camp. It is possible that they made up a jersey for him in the 2008 preseason and it wasn't used, or it could be the jersey he wore in that one 2009 preseason game in Chicago. I also note that I am forgetting about vector/wordmark. According to nhluniforms.com, the switch to wordmark happened in 2011-12, and the jersey above is a 2.0. So that rules nothing out and still means that this jersey could have been for 2008 or 2009 preseason. Nope, that 2009 preseason white jersey is Meigray documented as G05074 in the population report, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoCaps Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Cool. Then this jersey was worn in the Traverse City rookie tournament? Edit-- nope, Washington wasn't there. http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/10536/2008_traverse_city_prospects_tournament_day1/ Caps play one rookie game per year against the Flyers. 2008 was in the home reds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStu Posted August 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 And McNeill did not play in it. http://theredskate.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/hockey-day-in-washington-the-rookie-game/ My guess is that it was made up for some other purpose and not used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoCaps Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Still think it is a 2008 GI. Full Caps training camp started 9/20. P. McNeill was sent to Hershey 9/22. http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2009/09/washington_capitals_reassign_s.html Given that, and the obvious holes in the 2008 Meigray documented jerseys, I'm moderately confident that it is a 2008 GI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeOiler12 Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 LetsGoCaps -- were those Caps' shirts you bought on Clearance 1.0s or 2.0s? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoCaps Posted August 10, 2014 Report Share Posted August 10, 2014 (edited) LetsGoCaps -- were those Caps' shirts you bought on Clearance 1.0s or 2.0s? They are 2.0's. Edited August 10, 2014 by LetsGoCaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseymikea Posted August 12, 2014 Report Share Posted August 12, 2014 I just went through hundreds of photos from a Flyers/Caps rookie game that I shot where the Caps are wearing their home whites... Sorry to say, I came up with nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetsGoCaps Posted August 13, 2014 Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 I just went through hundreds of photos from a Flyers/Caps rookie game that I shot where the Caps are wearing their home whites... Sorry to say, I came up with nothing. Yep, everything points to it being a 2008-2009 GI that somehow fell outside of the stringent Meigray documentation standards, like many of the other recent Meigray "Clearance" Caps jeresys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoStu Posted August 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) It could have been made up for a fall 2008 public relations event....."Meet the Caps Rookies at Walmart" or some such thing. Either way, it is from the team and Patrick may or may not have ever worn it even for an off ice thing but for the price I don't really care. Thanks for checking, though, it is really cool that you did that. Edited August 13, 2014 by DiscoStu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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