RageATheM Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 I bought this Oilers jersey with Wayne Gretzky's name and number (also with Captain's C) a month ago. It's a replica, but what do you think, legit or fake? Fake If you see a fight strap, that means 'authentic' but that ones is definitely not legit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akteon Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 The Yzerman white looks like a legit replica. The Yzerman red could be a legit jersey, but the customization is wrong (or the whole thing is fake). Problem is with authenticated signed jerseys, they just authenticate the signature not the jersey itself. Also the Belfour is fake. In the close-up pic you can see the fight strap is attached like those on the fakes. Also the materials on the letters/numbers is the fake shiny bubbly material used by the fakes instead of actual twill. Finally you can see that the stitching on the letters/numbers is almost embroidered, not the common zig-zag stitch found on hockey jerseys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawksFanInDC Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Hey guys, I'm new to the forum and just about to get started with jerseys. I've wanted to get jerseys of my favorite players for a while now and have been reading through the forum on how to spot authentic jerseys from the fakes. Because I live in Europe it is harder to find jerseys, especially because the jerseys I want are from the early/mid 90s. I read a lot of information on how to spot fake EDGE jerseys but didn't find a good guide on how to spot fake 90s CCMs. I would be happy with a somewhat accurate reproduction of a vintage jersey, doesn't necessarily have to be vintage. If you guys could verify if the following jerseys are accurate/authentic and if not, what are the tells: Red Wings Yzerman away jersey: http://www.ebay.com/itm/260941368188?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1010wt_1398 Red Wings Yzerman signed home jersey: http://www.ebay.com/itm/300656701231?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3653wt_1165 Blackhawks Belfour home jersey: I'd really appreciate your opinions on these jerseys! Looking to learn and join the jersey collecting hobby! - Arrin Here is a Belfour legit replica. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ed-Belfour-30-Chicago-Blackhawks-Vintage-Replica-Jersey-XL-c-1992-/320839506855?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&hash=item4ab3865ba7 Legit Vintage TBTC Barber Pole replica: not the greatest quality. The crest is glued on. The real version of this is one of the most sought after Hawks jerseys. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ED-BELFOUR-Chicago-Blackhawks-1992-Vintage-Jersey-LARGE-/310373268022?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&hash=item4843b03a36 If money is not an issue you would be better off gettting this customized. Legit authentic jersey with fight strap, double elbows and crest sewn on. Difference is the real originals were ultrafil not air knit. If you do go this route you will need to buy a 75th patch. http://www.stadiumclassics.com/prod/1723-Chicago-Blackhawks-Authentic-Vintage-Throwback-Jersey-1992-by-CCM.html Final product should look like this (this is the real ultrafil authentic they wore in 1992) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAK74 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Red Wings Yzerman signed home jersey: http://www.ebay.com/itm/300656701231?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3653wt_1165 The red Yzerman is fake. In the last closeup photo, you can tell that the jersey material is unlike anything CCM used in their authentics or replicas. Plus, as Akteon mentioned, the customization is really bad. Best to avoid (unless you just want the autograph.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five_Hole Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 I know it is a replica, but is this legit? http://www.ebay.com/itm/JEREMY-ROENICK-CHICAGO-BLACKHAWKS-JERSEY-ALL-STAR-PATCH-/270878718366?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&hash=item3f11a1399e Does Locker Room Sports really have that much stock on a nearly 20 year old jersey or are these reproductions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawksFanInDC Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 I know it is a replica, but is this legit? http://www.ebay.com/itm/JEREMY-ROENICK-CHICAGO-BLACKHAWKS-JERSEY-ALL-STAR-PATCH-/270878718366?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&hash=item3f11a1399e Does Locker Room Sports really have that much stock on a nearly 20 year old jersey or are these reproductions? legit replicas, just over priced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RageATheM Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 I know it is a replica, but is this legit? http://www.ebay.com/itm/JEREMY-ROENICK-CHICAGO-BLACKHAWKS-JERSEY-ALL-STAR-PATCH-/270878718366?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&hash=item3f11a1399e Does Locker Room Sports really have that much stock on a nearly 20 year old jersey or are these reproductions? That jersey is good, 99% of the time you won't see a replica faked, only authentics (or jersey "with the fight strap") are generally faked. As for their stock, I believe that jersey is not a reproduction but someone else more schooled then me would have to answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrin Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 The Yzerman white looks like a legit replica. The Yzerman red could be a legit jersey, but the customization is wrong (or the whole thing is fake). Problem is with authenticated signed jerseys, they just authenticate the signature not the jersey itself. Also the Belfour is fake. In the close-up pic you can see the fight strap is attached like those on the fakes. Also the materials on the letters/numbers is the fake shiny bubbly material used by the fakes instead of actual twill. Finally you can see that the stitching on the letters/numbers is almost embroidered, not the common zig-zag stitch found on hockey jerseys. Here is a Belfour legit replica. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ed-Belfour-30-Chicago-Blackhawks-Vintage-Replica-Jersey-XL-c-1992-/320839506855?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&hash=item4ab3865ba7 Legit Vintage TBTC Barber Pole replica: not the greatest quality. The crest is glued on. The real version of this is one of the most sought after Hawks jerseys. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ED-BELFOUR-Chicago-Blackhawks-1992-Vintage-Jersey-LARGE-/310373268022?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&hash=item4843b03a36 If money is not an issue you would be better off gettting this customized. Legit authentic jersey with fight strap, double elbows and crest sewn on. Difference is the real originals were ultrafil not air knit. If you do go this route you will need to buy a 75th patch. http://www.stadiumclassics.com/prod/1723-Chicago-Blackhawks-Authentic-Vintage-Throwback-Jersey-1992-by-CCM.html Final product should look like this (this is the real ultrafil authentic they wore in 1992) The red Yzerman is fake. In the last closeup photo, you can tell that the jersey material is unlike anything CCM used in their authentics or replicas. Plus, as Akteon mentioned, the customization is really bad. Best to avoid (unless you just want the autograph.) Thanks for your comments guys! Bought the white Yzerman, will steer clear of the red one and will continue to look for a good Belfour. Thanks for the heads up on all the Belfour jerseys HawksFanInDC. I'll be watching the legit replica on your first link. The barberpole jerseys are definitely cool but I think I'll start with the actual home or away jerseys of my favourite players! Best, Arrin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalGoldenBear Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 I thought this looked legit, but just needed an expert's opinion. http://www.ebay.com/itm/140691874076?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_5501wt_1396 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropkickMurphy8 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 I thought this looked legit, but just needed an expert's opinion. http://www.ebay.com/itm/140691874076?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_5501wt_1396 Worse than fake. You can see right through the jersey and the fight strap stitching isn't even close. I bought this Oilers jersey with Wayne Gretzky's name and number (also with Captain's C) a month ago. It's a replica, but what do you think, legit or fake? Also worse than fake. As Rage said, a jersey with a fight strap is never a replica. A fight strap means one of two things - legit authentic, or fake. If the numbers look like the ones on yours it's fake. Also, the fight strap stitching isn't even correct, and the neck tag has gray borders. Those vintage series jerseys only have gray borders on the neck tag for replicas, the real authentics will have blue borders on the tag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangecrush8 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 That Mitchell and Ness Kings jersey is 100% real. The fight straps they put on the jerseys are not good quality at all, but the jersey itself is legit. It has the legit Mitchell and Ness sizing, that jersey is a size 40. Fakes use size 48 for medium. It has the same exact tag that my Hextall has when i got it during the $100 sale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAK74 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 This is exactly why I've never liked M&N jerseys- even when they're legit they look like fakes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalGoldenBear Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 orangecrush8, thanks so much! You see, this is why I come here. Do you have any idea how the M&N jerseys fit compared to Reebok? I wear a M in Premier and 50 in Edge. I'm not sure if I'm a 40 or 44 in M&N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brilliant! Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Are you sure about that Kings one? It looks like there's some pretty crappy twill on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangecrush8 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 orangecrush8, thanks so much! You see, this is why I come here. Do you have any idea how the M&N jerseys fit compared to Reebok? I wear a M in Premier and 50 in Edge. I'm not sure if I'm a 40 or 44 in M&N. They are longer, fit tighter and have much shorter sleeves, compared to the Edge design. I like a 52 in edge and mine is a 48 (XL). Overall it fits pretty good, the sleeves are a bit short. Having said that I probably could have gotten a 52 (XXL) and it would have fit as well. I would think if you wear a 50 in Edge, then a 40 would be too small, but that is just me. To be 100% sure, ask the seller for some measurements and compare those measurements to something you already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangecrush8 Posted February 1, 2012 Report Share Posted February 1, 2012 Are you sure about that Kings one? It looks like there's some pretty crappy twill on it. The quality really isnt that great, they are definitely not worth $300, and even $100 is debatable. But Im 100% confident its a legit M&N jersey On JC, a member picked up the same Gretzky jersey. http://www.jerseycentral.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=8588&start=700 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalGoldenBear Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 They are longer, fit tighter and have much shorter sleeves, compared to the Edge design. I like a 52 in edge and mine is a 48 (XL). Overall it fits pretty good, the sleeves are a bit short. Having said that I probably could have gotten a 52 (XXL) and it would have fit as well. I would think if you wear a 50 in Edge, then a 40 would be too small, but that is just me. To be 100% sure, ask the seller for some measurements and compare those measurements to something you already have. All right, thanks! I've heard some collectors say "always a size up in M&N." I suppose I'll just wait it out and see if M&N has another black friday sale for 2012. They have size 44 in stock right now. Do you think they'll last? I know there's a Super Bowl sale right now, but it's in store only, and I live in California. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five_Hole Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 legit replicas, just over priced. That jersey is good, 99% of the time you won't see a replica faked, only authentics (or jersey "with the fight strap") are generally faked. As for their stock, I believe that jersey is not a reproduction but someone else more schooled then me would have to answer Thanks for the responses. I'm familiar with the differences between authentic and replica jerseys of more recent vintages, but what are the differences between the two for these mid 90s jerseys aside from not having a fight strap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ic0dex Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 This is exactly why I've never liked M&N jerseys- even when they're legit they look like fakes! Seriosly they really make crappy stuff even when it's real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAK74 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Thanks for the responses. I'm familiar with the differences between authentic and replica jerseys of more recent vintages, but what are the differences between the two for these mid 90s jerseys aside from not having a fight strap? Just a few things you may wish to know about mid-90's jerseys. Authentic Hawks jerseys from the early 90's were made of ultrafil, a very tightly-knit polyester. In regards to replicas, there are some variations in CCM jerseys from this time. Some replicas were made of a thinner type of ultrafil, which tended to snag quite easily. These jerseys had a screened CCM logo on the rear hem. It looks like the Roenick jersey you posted from Locker Room Sports may be of this type. You can't see the details well in their pictures, but here's another one just like it which has more detailed close-up photos: http://www.ebay.com/itm/CCM-CHICAGO-BLACKHAWKS-JERSEY-SWEATER-VINTAGE-XXL-GOOD-CONDITION-RARE-FIND-/230737593723?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b908457b Around the mid-90's CCM switched the material in Hawks authentics to airknit (with much larger visible holes in the material). They also came up with a higher quality replica, also made of airknit, with embroidered hem logos. Here's an example of one of these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-NHL-HOCKEY-JERSEY-CHICAGO-BLACKHAWKS-CCM-MASKA-SIZE-XL-EXCELLENT-COND-/260945217610?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&hash=item3cc18c084a Lastly, in the 2000's, CCM made probably their best-quality airknit replica. Locker Room has some of these, including this Larmer: http://www.ebay.com/itm/STEVE-LARMER-CHICAGO-BLACKHAWKS-JERSEY-ALL-STAR-PATCH-/260920810667?pt=U_Hockey_Fan_Shop&hash=item3cc0179cab With the All-Star patch, they make it seem as if this jersey was from 1991, but it really was made much, much later than that. Hope this is of some help to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schulzmc Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 1328166437[/url]' post='82329']Just a few things you may wish to know about mid-90's jerseys. Authentic Hawks jerseys from the early 90's were made of ultrafil, a very tightly-knit polyester. In regards to replicas, there are some variations in CCM jerseys from this time. (lots of more great info followed...) One more key thing to note: on Hawks jerseys the replicas have a different crest and tomahawk patches. Even when the replicas are embroidered (and sometimes they are screen printed) authentics have a thicker chain stitch that gives the crest a thinker "fluffy" look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAK74 Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Excellent point. Five_Hole, there are so many variations between replicas (not to mention differences between authentics/replicas)- I just barely skimmed the surface in the earlier post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e30cabrio Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Here is a novel way to hide it is a fake. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260947444242&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123 I asked for actual pictures and got nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bender Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) Feeling good about this one. Any Moose experts? http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/kjc/120131/689r1/907788e_20.jpeg http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/kjc/120131/689r1/5317n27_20.jpeg http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/kjc/120131/689r1/8898cjd_20.jpeg Man, all these sizings are real confusing. I'm a Reebok Premier S, so I should be an edge 46 and a 6100 48? Edited February 2, 2012 by bender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akteon Posted February 2, 2012 Report Share Posted February 2, 2012 Feeling good about this one. Any Moose experts? http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/kjc/120131/689r1/907788e_20.jpeg http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/kjc/120131/689r1/5317n27_20.jpeg http://imgc.classistatic.com/cps/kjc/120131/689r1/8898cjd_20.jpeg Man, all these sizings are real confusing. I'm a Reebok Premier S, so I should be an edge 46 and a 6100 48? Not a Moose expert, but those look good to me. The 6100's weren't faked much and fake blank Edges are rare, especially for minor league teams. As for the sizing, here's a size chart that lists Edge, 6100, and Premier measurements. To match the pit-to-pit measurement of a Premier S (24") you'd actually need an Edge 54, but it'd come with 3" longer sleeves (6" total longer sleeve end to end). A 6100 size 48 would be a closer match, 1/4" small pit-to-pit and 1/2" shorter sleeves. Btw, where are those Moose jerseys from? I'd love to snag one if they have larger sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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